It is true that in India anyone who has money can buy a title like this. But it is also true that very qualified people receive these titles without "buying" them, as in the case of Sri Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji.
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É verdade que na Índia qualquer pessoa que tenha dinheiro pode comprar um título como este. Mas também é verdade que pessoas muito qualificadas recebem esses títulos sem “comprá-los”, como é o caso de Sri Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji.
<This is true in part because within the Gaudya Matha Narayan Maharaj always emphasized manasi seva and raghanuga bhakti.
Today, there are other sanyasis who do the same thing.>
Yes, however, IGM followers and even followers of Narayana Maharaja cannot accept the fact that there are serious Babajis with serious disciples who receive Siddha Pranali at the right time. They encompass all Babajis, they generalize every Babaji as Sahajiyas.
Narayana Maharaja's harsh statements about Ananta Dasa Babaji are well known.
On the other hand, most Babajis, not all, but most deny the possibility of practicing Raganuga Bhakti without receiving Siddha Pranali. It is said that without Siddha Pranali there is no Raganuga Bhakti.
However, Bilvamagala Thakura did not receive Siddha Pranali and meditated on his own conceived Siddha Deha (Parikalpya).
And so, the aggressions, offenses and disagreements are mutual.
Welcome to the wonderful world of "PEACE AND HARMONY" between Religions !!!
And it's not just in Gaudiya Vaisnavisvm that it's like this. It is in all Religions. Fights, disagreements and disagreements.
We can give many examples. But we mention Christianity. Catholics, Orthodox and Evangelicals have profound differences between them. They accuse each other. They are all Christians, but they live in continuous disagreement.
With the Gaudiyas, the same thing. They are all Gaudiyas. But all in continual disagreement.
Wonderful !!!
Radhe Radhe Radhe
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<Isso é verdade em parte, porque dentro da Gaudya Matha Narayan Maharaj sempre enfatizou manasi seva e raghanuga bhakti.
Hoje, há outros sanyasis que fazem a mesma coisa.>
Sim, no entanto, os seguidores da IGM e mesmo seguidores de Narayana Maharaja não conseguem aceitar o facto de que existem Babajis sérios com discípulos sérios que recebem Siddha Pranali no momento certo. Eles englobam todos os Babajis, generalizam todos como Sahajiyas.
As declarações duras de Narayana Maharaja acerca de Ananta Dasa Babaji são bem conhecidas.
Por outo lado a maior parte dos Babajis, não todos, mas a maior parte negam a possibilidade de praticar Raganuga Bhakti sem receber Siddha Pranali. Dizem que sem Siddha Pranali não há Raganuga Bhakti. No entanto, Bilvamagala Thakura não recebeu Siddha Pranali e meditava no seu Siddha Deha concebido (Parikalpya) por ele mesmo.
E então, as agressões, ofensas e desacordos são mútuos.
Bem vindos ao mundo maravilhoso de "PAZ E HARMONIA" entre as Religiões !!!
E não é só no Vaisnavisvo Gaudiya que é assim. É em todas as Religiões. Briga, desavenças e desacordos.
Podemas dar muitos exemplos. Mas citamos o Cristianismo. Católicos, Ortodoxos, Evangélicos têm profundas diferenças entre eles. Acusam-se mutuamente. São todos Cristãos, mas vivem em desacordo contínuo.
Com os Gaudiyas, a mesma coisa. São todos Gaudiyas. Mas todos em desacordo contínuo.
Uma maravilha !!!
Radhe Radhe Radhe
Dina Dayal
Indeed, it is intriguing to observe that while many groups emphasize the importance of avoiding Vaishnava aparadha, they often inadvertently commit it without realizing.
Each group tends to believe that their approach is the most authentic and the only valid one. However, it is crucial to recognize that one's relationship with Radha and Krishna is deeply personal and unique.
Consequently, an individual may find greater resonance with one group over another. It is important to respect the diverse practices and perspectives of others in this spiritual journey.
Few great quotes from our dear Bhaktivinoda Thakur:
"Why do you continue to hate the way the Lord is worshiped by people of other lands? There exist a number of authentic ways to worship God, according to the customs of various peoples living in different countries.
Some people worship the Lord in an untidy or careless manner; some worship Him by bending down on their knees; still others close their eyes while worshiping His impersonal Brahman aspect.
Some people worship Him by assuming various yoga postures, and some immerse themselves in the congregational chanting of the Lord's holy names; but all of them worship that one and only supreme treasure-Lord Sri Krsna.
Therefore you should all reflect a mood of brotherhood and live together in transcendental friendship. Always practice devotional service to Lord Hari, whether in situations of life or death."
Srila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakur
from Gitavali, song 5
"Gradually, when the offensive portions of the established religions are destroyed, there will be no more differences in the bhajana performed by the various Sampradayas nor any quarrel between them.
Then as brothers, the people of all varnas, castes, and countries will spontaneously chant the Holy Names of the Supreme Lord together. At that time, no one will hate anyone or consider others dogeaters; nor will anyone be overwhelmed by the pride of high birth.
The living entities will not forget the principle of natural brotherhood."
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura (Sajjana toshani 4/3)
"Sectarianism is a natural byproduct of the Absolute Truth. When Acharyas first ascertain and instruct the Truth, it is not polluted with sectarianism.
But the rules and regulations received through disciplic succession regarding the goal and the method of achieving it are changed in due course of time according to the mentality and locale of the people.
A rule that is followed by one society is not necessarily accepted in another society. That is why one community is different from another. As a community gradually develops more respect for its own standards, it develops hatred towards other communities and considers their standards inferior.
These sectarian symptoms are seen in all countries since time immemorial. This is prominent amongst neophytes and found to some extent amongst madhyama-adhikaris.
Amongst uttama-adhikaris, however, there is no trace of sectarianism."
-Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, excerpt from Sri Krsna Samhita Introduction
"Those who become sectarian by obstinately locking themselves into dogmatic cults are soon diverted from lofty idealism, munificence, and liberality. They deride and rail at anyone who does not follow their particular methodology in religious practice. This is a serious aberration on their part"
(Thakur Bhaktivinode, Jaiva Dharma Chapter 11 Page 175 )
"Pure love is the eternal function of the soul. Real religion is pure love. This is the final goal of religion.
We should not quarrel over external differences. If the goal of a religion is pure love, then all else is adjusted."
Bhaktivinode Thakur, Śrī Caitanya-śīkṣāmṛta 1.1
We do not profess to belong to any of the sects of religion under the sun, we believe the absolute Faith, founded upon instinctive love of God, natural in all human souls.
God accepts the worship of all those who worship their highest ideal, whether it is form, formless or Spirit, and it is under some regular processes that the idea of God becomes purer and purer in every soul and not by fits and starts.
That man has no heart for his brother and consequently for God also, who sneer at the highest ideal of another behind him, is idolatrous.
Those who are anxious for the blessing of God are our brothers in faith, whatever error there may be in their ideas and forms of worship. Love of God, however misdirected it may be, does by force of its own natural strength, rise higher and higher in the scale of spiritual progress.
Excerpts from article: The Temple of Jagannāth at Purī
"According to language differences, different religions call God by different names. The religions have different names, and the languages used during worship are also different.
If one goes to someone else’s place of worship, one should think:
These people are worshiping my Lord, but in a different way. Because of my different training, I cannot quite comprehend this system of worship.
However, through this experience I can deepen my appreciation for my own system of worship. The Lord is only one, not two. I offer respect to the form I see here, and pray to the Lord in this new form that he increases my love for the Lord in his accustomed form.
Those who do not follow this procedure, but instead criticize other systems of worship and show hatred, violence, and envy, are worthless and foolish. The more they indulge in useless quarreling, the more they betray the very goal of their religion."
(Sri Chaitanya-siksamrita; First Rainfall of Nectar: part one; 1886)
Punya Palaka
"Real religion is pure love." -> How would you respond to one who claims that there is no God we should try to love because He is the love itself, and nothing else?
Dina Dayal
Good question. I heard that the kingdom of Love is greater than the kingdom of God, because even those that don't believe in God know Love, even animals. And even God says for himself that he becomes the servant of Love.
But to answer the question, one without the other is empty, so there are both. Yes, Love is God, and God is Love, and in a way all is made by love. But God is also everything, and He is in the same time a person.
So i would say that they are right as well, because if they believe that Love is God, then that is so. And we should encourage them to pursue their way of worship, and we should find our own way.
Nobody can tell that the one they are doing now is the highest, because there is no difference in Gods eyes, even if some religions will write and say otherwise to attract followers to their way of thinking.
I believe it is important to find your path, and then we will be happy and see others as brothers and sisters on the same road, but they only have their own perspective.
Here at this link on my blog you will find all the answers. At the end of the texts there are other links.
They should also be read. Read everything at least three times. Haribol !!!
In Portuguese and English !!!
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Aqui neste link do meu blog você encontra todas as respostas. No final dos textos há outros links.
Também devem ser lidos. Leia tudo no mínimo três vezes. Haribol !!!
Em português e Inglês !!!
https://bhakti-tattva.blogspot.com/2022/01/srila-prabhupada-e-raganuga-bhakti.html
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And yes, Babajis have female devotees disciples who serve their Gurus like the male devotees. No problem. Bhakti is for everyone without distinction of gender or caste.
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E, sim, Babajis têm devotas como discípulas que servem seus Gurus assim como os devotos. Sem nenhum problema. Bhakti é para todos sem distinção de gênero e casta.
Sahajiyas are basically those who dress the physical body with Sari or use sexual Tantra like Sadhana.
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Sahajiyas basicamente são aqueles que vestem o corpo físico com Sari ou então usam o Tantra sexual como Sadhana.
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Este livro é de uma Estudiosa que conviveu vários meses com cada grupo. Dos Babajis e Gosvamis, dos Sahajiyas e da IGM.
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This book is by a scholar who spent several months with each group. Of the Babajis and Gosvamis, of the Sahajiyas and the IGM.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1525/j.ctt1ffjn1f
<I do not know what he is talking about>
Yes, at Gaudiya Matha they will teach about Raganuga.
But they will also claim that only their method is authentic and offensively generalize that all Babajis are Sahajiyas. And that Siddha Pranali is not authentic.
It is in this sense that Sri Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji is speaking.
Now, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta informed about Siddha Pranali to 13 of his disciples.
This process of Siddha Pranali exists in both lines. The approach is what is different.
In the line of Babajis, they inform a qualified disciple about their Siddha Deha. And disciple accepts this information and that's it.
In Gaudiya Matha it is different. Guru and disciple work together in building the Siddha Deha.
However, both the Babajis and Gaudiya Matha claim their process as being the ONLY authentic one.
And then, the offenses, aggressions and disagreements do not stop.
We hope that the "clarification" in this book is not to attack and diminish any process. We will see.
And we can say with certainty that it will be a book to "refute" and "reject" the "other" process.
In other words, aggression and disagreements will continue.
Yes, those who dress in Saris are the Sakhi Bekhis.
And those who practice sexual Tantra like Sadhana are the Sahajiyas.
They are different groups. I highly recommend reading this book:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1525/j.ctt1ffjn1f
1 - Manasi seva during Deity worship is not with Siddha Deha. Pujari mentally offers the Upacaras by visualizing his own physical body.
2 - This is not what Sri Rupa Gosvami teaches in BRS. There, in the SADHANA BHAKTI SECTION he quotes the famous verse seva sadhaka rupena siddha rupena catra hi. Serve with the physical and internal body.
Raganuga Bhakti and meditation in Siddha-deha is to be practiced in the STAGE OF SADHANA BHAKTI. And it does nor start at Asakti. Starts at the beginning of Nistha.
And this is confirmed by Sri Jiva Gosvami, Sri Visvanatha, Srila Bhaktivinoda, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Prabhupada.
What Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Prabhupada emphasize is that one must first chant for many years (15 - 20).
We have devotees singing for almost 50 years.
Without a doubt, these devotees can and should serve with the external and internal body.
Please, see the links, Portuguese and English:
https://bhakti-tattva.blogspot.com/2024/04/nao-comeca-em-asakti-does-not-start-in.html
https://bhakti-tattva.blogspot.com/2016/07/smarana-5-estagios.html
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1 - Manasi seva durante a adoração da Deidade não é com o Siddha Deha. O Pujari oferece mentalmente os Upacaras visualizando o seu próprio corpo físico.
2 - Isto não é o que ensina Sri Rupa Gosvami no BRS. Ali, na SECÇÃO DE SADHANA BHAKTI ele cita o famoso verso seva sadhaka rupena siddha rupena catra hi. Servir com o corpo físico e interno.
Raganuga Bhakti e meditação no Siddha-deha devem ser praticadas no ESTÁGIO DE SADHANA BHAKTI. E isto não começa em Asakti. Começa no início de Nistha.
E isto é confirmado por Sri Jiva Gosvami, Sri Visvanatha, Srila Bhaktivinoda, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta e Srila Prabhupada.
O que Srila Bhaktisiddhanta e Srila Prabhupada enfatizam é que antes é preciso cantar durante muitos anos (15 - 20).
Nós já temos devotos a cantar por quase 50 anos.
Sem dúvida que estes devotos podem e devem servir com o corpo externo e interno.
Por favor, veja os links, Português e Inglês:
https://bhakti-tattva.blogspot.com/2024/04/nao-comeca-em-asakti-does-not-start-in.html
https://bhakti-tattva.blogspot.com/2016/07/smarana-5-estagios.html
It is Sri Rupa who speaks seva sadhaka rupena siddha rupena catra hi.
Serve with Sadhaka Rupa and Siddha Rupa.
He doesn't just say one or just the other. Serve with both.
But we don't need to go to extremes. We, human beings are prone to extremism.
It is not 24 hours only with Siddha Rupa or 24 hours only with Sadhaka Rupa.
Like everything in life, we need to have balance.
For example, in spiritual practices in the morning and afternoon, you do service with Siddha Rupa and during the day you do service with Sadhaka Rupa.
Sri Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita 6.17 that we should be balanced in our activities.
