Jiva Fall Vada

• As regards the jiva falling from susupti, that is the statement of Srila Prabhupada in a letter to Jagadish dasa, Los Angeles, April 25, 1970, when questioned on this very subject:
  "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at any time, so there is always the chance of falling down by misuse of one's independence. But those who are firmly fixed up in devotional service to Krsna are making proper use of their independence and so they do not fall down.
  Regarding your second question, have the conditioned souls ever seen Krsna? Were they with the Lord before being conditioned by the desire to lord it over material nature? Yes, the conditioned souls are parts and parcels of the Lord and thus they were with Krsna before being conditioned. Just as the child must have seen his father because the father places the child in the womb of the mother, similarly each soul has seen Krsna or the Supreme Father. But at that time the conditioned souls are resting in the condition called susupti which is exactly deep sleep without dream, or anesthetized state, therefore they do not remember being with Krsna when they wake up in the material world and become engaged in material affairs. I hope this will satisfy your questions."
  Your ever well-wisher,
  A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
  So in answering the first question, Srila Prabhupada states "those who are firmly fixed up in devotional service to Krsna are making proper use of their independence and so they do not fall down." We can conclude that the residents of Goloka Vrndavana are "firmly fixed up in devotional service to Krsna are making proper use of their independence and so they do not fall down."
  However, those emanated by Sri Krsna in the form of Sri Maha Visnu within the Causal Ocean are "resting in the condition called susupti which is exactly deep sleep without dream, or anesthetized state, therefore they do not remember being with Krsna when they wake up in the material world and become engaged in material affairs."
  The awakening from susputi and subsequent choice of spiritual or material life is further elucidated in the Brhad-aranyaka Upanishad.
  Brhad-aranyaka Upanishad, 2.2.20:
  "Just as innumerable sparks cascade out of a flame, similarly, from Sri Krsna, who is the Atma, the Universal Soul, the jivas emanate who are His separated parts and parcels."
  This "Atma, the Universal Soul" is Sri Krsna here in the form of Sri Maha Visnu emanating the tatastha-sakti jivas at the margin of matter and spirit, the Casual Ocean.
  Brhad-aranyaka Upanishad, 4.3.9:
  "The jiva has access to two places, both of which he may seek, this material world and the spiritual realm. He is situated in svapna-sthanam, the dream-like third state, on the margin of these two worlds. From that middle position he is able to see both the material and the spiritual worlds."
  This dream-like third state is the condition of susupti after emanation from Sri Maha Visnu, as correspondingly explained by Srila Prabhupada in the letter quoted above.
  Further, Brhad-aranyaka Upanishad, 4.3.18:
  "The symptoms of the marginal existence are like those of a huge aquatic who is capable of living on both the eastern and western sides of the river at his own will. Similarly, the jiva soul, situated within the waters of the Causal Ocean, which lies between the material and spiritual worlds, is able to reside in both the dream world of matter and the spiritual world of divine wakefulness."
  The verse directly above describes the jiva's choice as he awakens from susupti within the Causal Ocean. All this has been summarized in his answer to Jagadish dasa in the letter quoted above.
  As Srila Prabhupada in the letter says: "those who are firmly fixed up in devotional service to Krsna are making proper use of their independence and so they do not fall down."
  We can conclude that the "those" Srila Prabhupada refers include the prema-bhava-jivas residing in the highest abode of Goloka Vrindavana.
  Therefore, "The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode."
  The words of Srila Prabhupada are quite unequivocal. No one falls from the Vaikuntha Planets, (obviously Goloka included). However they fall from the awakening state of susupti after emanation from Sri Krsna in the form of Sri Maha Visnu in the borderline of matter and spirit, the Causal Ocean. This is the Upanisad statement above.
  This is eternal Vedic Siddhanta. Any contrary ideas, rely on misinterpretation and misquotation.
  (Paramahamsa Prahladesh)

  "So according to this subconscious fall-vada, we do pastimes here just as they go on in the spiritual world. There is no difference between the material and spiritual world. All the activities here are orchestrated from above. The script is written in Vaikuntha and we execute it. The first and second world war with all its horrors gas-chambers atom-bombs was lila. The Stalin amsa killing 30 million other amsas was lila among the amsas of the nitya siddhas. The Mao amsa killing 40 million other amsas was lila. The 42 million abortions every year worldwide is the lila of Vaikuntha. The 1 million suicides worldwide every year is the lila of some or 1 million Vaikuntha residents. The up till now registered more than 120 million abductions by the aliens is the lila of Vaikuntha, it could also be staged in Vaikuntha."