Is there Asta Kaliya Lila in Sakhya Rasa? Is there Gaura Asta Kaliya Lila in Sakhya Rasa?
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So these dasya bhaktas, when Gaura is in madhurya rasa, move away?
Within a 24 hour period, how long does Gaura take sakhya rasa?
Does Sri Nitai participate in the intimate kirtanas of the srivasangam?
Does Gaura actually enter Sakhya Rasa or is He in Radha's mood listening to the pastimes in Sakhya of a gopi messenger?
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I always thought that in Nitya Navadvipa, the Gaura asta kaliya lila followed the Radha Krsna asta kaliya lila in madhurya.
And that it was in bhauma lila that Gaura would have other rasas with His devotees. For example, paternal relationship with Paramananda Puri.
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https://archive.org/.../gauranga-asta-kaliya-lila/mode/1up
In this link we have the Gaura asta kaliya lila described by several Acaryas.
For example, in the midday pastimes when Gaura is completely absorbed in Madhurya Rasa, Srila Visvanatha says that Nitai and Advaita are together with Gaura remembering these pastimes in Madhurya.
How is this possible?
Srila Visvanatha also says that Nitai and Advaita are all the time with Gaura in the nocturnal pastimes of the Rasalila at Srivasangam.
How is this possible?
how Advaita and Nitai are in Madhurya's midday and evening pastimes in Srivasangam as described by Srila Visvanatha.
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If Nitai and Advaita are experiencing Their Rasas at this time when Gaura is experiencing Madhurya, wouldn't this be Rasabhasa?
Vatsalya and Sakhya (I'm not talking about priya narmas) are incompatible with Madhurya, no?
I remember reading on your blog that you quote a passage from CC where Nitai remains distant when Gaura experiences Madhurya Rasa.
And yet, here Nitai does not remain distant.
How is it then?
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The gopis also call Krsna Gopala.
But that Gaura has other moods is not in question. Although in Srivasangam, this is punctual and madhurya rasa predominates most of the time.
The issue is that when Gaura shows His mood in Madhurya, Nitai and Advaita do not leave the place.
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CC Madhya 14,235,236 shows that Nitai kept Himself aloof when Gaura appeared as Radha.
And this was so because only Nitai was able to see this at that time. No other devotee at that time could see Gaura like Radha. Just Nitai.
That is, Nitai was watching Gaura in Madhurya Rasa. Now, how can Balarama witness Gaura in Madhurya Rasa if He is in Sakhya?
He kept distance because he wanted to contemplate that beautiful vision. This would be one interpretation.
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When we say that in Nisa lila it is only Gaura and Gadadhara who internally experience Madhurya Rasa ... but what about the kirtanas (padavali) that are done in srivasangam that describe madhurya rasa?
Advaita and Nitai do not come out of srivasangana because of this.
Sakhya and Vatsalya Bhaktas listening to exclusive madhurya rasa kirtanas for a long time !!!
Impressive, to say the least !!!
Remembering that kirtana, especially in bengala, is not just the maha mantra hare krsna, but especially songs glorifying the pastimes of radha krsna (padavali).
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Yes it is a big place. However, right there in Srivasangam Gaura is following the pastimes in Madhurya that are happening in Vraja. That is why Gaura asta kaliya lila is simultaneous with Radha Krsna asta kaliya lila.
It is Gaura's associates who follow His mood and not the other way around, Gaura that adapts to the mood of His associates.
The kirtanas in madhurya rasa (padavalis) resound loudly in Srivasangam for many hours. To not hear them we would have to be outside the Srivasangam.
But of course, this is my opinion and I could be wrong.
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gopis are friends of Krsna also. In that way?
https://harmonist.us/2020/07/balarama-and-ananga-manjari/...
After reading we could say that sakhas help to expand Madhurya Rasa, but they don't participate in it directly right?
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We all agree that gaura is krsna in radha's mood in madhurya rasa.
Gaura is not in Krishna's mood. If a devotee is in vatsalya or sakhya and "forces" gaura to get out of His radha mood, isn't that disrespectful?
That's why I say that it's the devotees who have to adapt to Gaura's mood and not the other way around.
How would this be possible? with multiple svarupas?
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Existem 2 tipos de devotos.
1 - aqueles que consideram que gaura reciproca com seus devotos em diferentes rasas tanto em bhauma como nitya lila.
2 - aqueles que consideram que gaura reciproca com seus devotos em diferentes rasas só em bhauma lila e quando gaura em bhauma lila assume seu humor em madhurya estes mesmos devotos acompanham este humor com múltiplos svarupas (o seu próprio e outro em manjari bhava), e em nitya lila gaura está no humor exclusivo de madhurya = gaura asta kaliya lila e radha krsna asta kaliya lila.
