Foto: "Namaste Śrī Rādhe Namaste Śrī Śyāma" (Rūpa Gosvāmī - Padyāvalī)
Já vimos que Rāgānugā Bhakti pertence a fase inicial de Sādhana.
O caminho progressivo de Bhakti está dividido em três:
1º - Sādhana-bhakti (Vaidhī e Rāgānugā)
2º - Bhāva-bhakti
3º - Prema-bhakti
"A prática do serviço devocional, Sādhana-bhakti, é dividida em duas partes - nomeadamente, Vaidhī (regulada) e Rāgānugā (espontânea)."
(Śrīla Prabhupāda - Néctar da Devoção 2)
Já vimos que neste processo devemos executar serviço externo e interno:
sevā sādhaka-rūpeṇa siddha-rūpeṇa cātra hi
(Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta Madhya 22.158, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.295)
Executamos o serviço externo (cantar, ouvir, propagar, etc) com o nosso corpo físico (sādhaka-rūpeṇa).
E como executamos o serviço interno?
Executamos com o Siddha-deha (siddha-rūpeṇa).
E como é nosso Siddha-deha?
O Siddha-deha é composto, formado, concebido e engendrado pelo próprio Sādhaka (aquele que pratica Sādhana) de acordo com os Rasa Śāstras e utilizando o modelo de Ekādaśa-bhāva (os 11 componentes do Siddha-deha).
De acordo com a linha de Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta, o papel do Guru neste processo é de simplesmente confirmar as inclinações do discípulo.
Śrīmān Uttamaśloka Dāsa ACBSP explica de forma excelente:
"O Sādhaka deve literalmente desejar o seu caminho para Vraja-līlā, e os primeiros desejos estão relacionados com a sua identidade eterna.
O Sādhaka é o único que tem de definir a forma como pessoalmente quer ser integrado na Līlā de Rādhā Kṛṣṇa.
Cada aspecto da sua participação deve ser auto-concebida, seguindo sua própria natureza, e saturado com um desejo sincero num nível de avidez e intenso desejo.
Se alguém não tem desejos (de serviço) por estas coisas, então o que Kṛṣṇa irá satisfazer?
Ekādaśa-bhāva são as características que definem o seu Siddha-deha.
O Sādhaka não poderá se envolver em meditação séria e serviço interno em Vraja-līlā como um observador fantasma anônimo sem forma ou senso de identidade pessoal, e absolutamente também não poderá fazê-lo com a sua identidade material."
E portanto, temos o Ekādaśa-bhāva descrito:
nāma (nome) rūpaṁ (forma) vayo (idade) veśaḥ (vestimenta) sambandho (relacionamento) yūtha (grupo) eva ca |
ājñā (ordem) sevā (serviço) parākāṣṭhā (ambição divina) pālya-dāsī (mantenedor/a) nivāsakaḥ (residência)|| 93 ||
(Śrī Gaura-Govindārcana-Smaraṇa-Paddhatiḥ - Śrīpāda Dhyānacandra Gosvāmī)
O Sādhaka deve definir cada um destes 11 componentes de forma a poder executar serviço interno numa Rasa específica.
"Haṁsadūta: Então Prabhupāda, um devoto neófito, ele pode pensar que poderia ser muito bom ser um amigo de Kṛṣṇa, mas ele poderá realmente ser uma folha de grama e ele estará totalmente satisfeito quando chegar a este estágio? ...
Prabhupāda: Não. Mas quando, no momento do serviço devocional, se tal ímpeto vem, isso significa que ele tem esta relação. E ele deve desenvolvê-la. Isto é tudo. Isto significa que a relação real com Kṛṣṇa está surgindo gradualmente. Está sendo desenvolvida. Então, tal devoto tem que desenvolver esta relação, seguindo os passos dos amigos de Kṛṣṇa em Vṛndāvana. Isto é descrito aqui."
(Palestra do Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.3.16-17, Gorakhpur em 18 de Fevereiro de 1971)
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Photo: "Namaste Śrī Rādhe Namaste Śrī Śyāma" (Rūpa Gosvāmī - Padyāvalī)
We have already seen that Rāgānugā Bhakti belongs to the early stage of Sādhana.
The progressive path of Bhakti is divided into three:
1º - Sādhana-bhakti (Vaidhī and Rāgānugā)
2º - Bhāva-bhakti
3º - Prema-bhakti
"The practice of devotional service, Sādhana-bhakti, can be divided into two parts — namely, Vaidhī (regulative) and Rāgānugā (spontaneous)."
(Śrīla Prabhupāda - Nectar of Devotion 2)
We have already seen that in this process we have to execute external and internal service:
sevā sādhaka-rūpeṇa siddha-rūpeṇa cātra hi
(Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta Madhya 22.158, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.295)
We execute external service (singing, hearing, propagating, etc) with our physical body (sādhaka-rūpeṇa).
And how do we perform internal service?
We perform with the Siddha-deha (siddha-rūpeṇa).
And how is our Siddha-deha?
The Siddha-deha is composed, formed, designed and engineered by the very Sādhaka (one who practices Sādhana) according to the Rasa Śāstras and using the model of Ekādaśa-bhāva (the 11 components of the Siddha-deha).
According to the line of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta, Guru's role in this process is to simply confirm the disciple's inclinations.
Śrīmān Uttamaśloka Dāsa ACBSP excellently explains:
"You literally have to desire your way into Vraja-līlā, and the first desires are related to your eternal identity.
You are the one who has to define how you want to be
personally integrated into Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa’s Līlā.
Every aspect of your participation must be
self-conceived, following your own inherent nature, and saturated with sincere desire to the level of greed and intense longing.
If one has no desires for these things, then what will Kṛṣṇa fulfill?
The Ekādaśa-bhāvas are the defining characteristics of your Siddha-deha.
You cannot engage in serious meditation on Vraja-līlā as an anonymous phantom observer with no
form or sense of personal identity, and absolutely not as your material identity."
And so we have the Ekādaśa-bhāva described:
nāma (name) rūpaṁ (complexion or form) vayo (age) veśaḥ (dress) sambandho (relationship) yūtha (group) eva ca |
ājñā (order) sevā (service) parākāṣṭhā (divine cherished ambition) pālya-dāsī (maintainer) nivāsakaḥ (residence)|| 93 ||
(Śrī Gaura-Govindārcana-Smaraṇa-Paddhatiḥ - Śrīpāda Dhyānacandra Gosvāmī)
The Sādhaka must define each of these 11 components in order to be able to perform internal service in a specific Rasa.
"Haṁsadūta: So Prabhupāda, a neophyte devotee, he may think it might be very nice to be Kṛṣṇa’s friend, but he may actually be a blade of grass and he’ll be fully satisfied when he comes to that stage? ...
Prabhupāda: No. But when, at the time of devotional service, if such impetus comes, that means he has got such relation. It is to be developed. That’s all. That means the actual relationship with Kṛṣṇa is coming out gradually. It is being developed. So one has to developed it, following the footsteps of the Kṛṣṇa’s friends in Vṛndāvana. These are described here."
(Lecture Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.3.16-17, Gorakhpur em 18/02/1971)
=Pero si ya sabemos que actualmente ya no hay guru=
Siempre hay devot@s mas avançados que nosotros, no necesariamente diksa guru, muchos siksa y sadhus con los cuales podemos recibir confirmacion. Ademas, Raganuga SADHANA Bhakti es eso mismo, SADHANA, y recibes y cambias informaciones con otros SADHAKAS.
=Prabhupada nunca dice que nosotros hacemos nuestro sidha-deha. El siddha-deha ya está allí, se te otorga cuando ya estés purificado=
Se te otorga cuando ya estés purificado, mas pa eso tienes que ANHELAR, ANSIAR Y CULTIVAR el siddha deha en la fase de raganuga S A D H A N A bhakti.
SOLO TE VA SER OTORGADO ALGO POR LO CUAL TIENES UN ANHELO PREVIO. Sino que te va a ser otorgado? Si no tienes deseo de ninguna relacion ESPECIFICA CON KRSNA no te va ser otorgado NADA !!!
La purificacion viene por ANHELAR, ANSIAR Y CULTIVAR el siddha deha en la fase de raganuga S A D H A N A bhakti.
"Ah, como ya tengo un Svarupa, no es importante pensar en eso."
ERRADO !!!
Afirmar eso hace con que todo el proceso de Raganuga SADHANA Bhakti no tenga ningun sentido.
RAGANUGA BHAKTI ES SADHANA Y NO LA ETAPA DE PERFECCION !!!
Un devot@ pratica SADHANA porque todavia no es perfecto.
El siddha deha esta dividido em 3:
1 - en la fase de raganuga SADHANA bhakti el SADHAKA, ANHELA, ANSIA Y CULTIVA su siddha deha.(medita y cultiva el ekadas bhava = nombre, forma, edad, vestimienta,relacion,grupo,orden,servicio,ambicion suprema,mantenedor/a y residencia).
2 - entonces si en la etapa avanzada de bhava viene la realizacion del siddha deha que se llama svarupa siddhi.
3 - y entonces cuando nasce en el vientre de una gopi en un universo material donde krsna esté realizando Sus pasatiempos alcança la realizacion final del siddha deha que se llama vastu siddhi.
Y si, Srila Prabhupada dice que nosotros hacemos nuestro Siddha Deha:
Teachings of Lord Caitanya
Chapter 31, The Supreme Perfection:
“The associates of Rādhārāṇī include Her personal associates, called sakhīs, and Her near assistants, called mañjarīs. It is very difficult to express the dealings of Rādhārāṇī’s associates with Kṛṣṇa because they have no desire to mix with Him or enjoy with Him personally. Rather, they are always ready to help Rādhārāṇī associate with Kṛṣṇa. Their affection for Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī is so pure that they are simply satisfied when Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are together. Indeed, their transcendental pleasure is in seeing Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa united.
The actual form of Rādhārāṇī is just like a creeper embracing the tree of Kṛṣṇa, and the damsels of Vraja, the associates of Rādhārāṇī, are just like the leaves and flowers of that creeper. When a creeper embraces a tree, the leaves and flowers of the creeper automatically embrace it. The Govinda-līlāmṛta (10.16) describes the pleasure of Rādhārāṇī’s associates as follows: “Rādhārāṇī, the expansion of the pleasure potency of Kṛṣṇa, is compared to a creeper, and Her associates, the damsels of Vraja, are compared to the flowers and leaves of that creeper. When Rādhārāṇī and Kṛṣṇa enjoy Themselves, the damsels of Vraja relish the pleasure more than Rādhārāṇī Herself.”
Although the associates of Rādhārāṇī do not expect any personal attention from Kṛṣṇa, Rādhārāṇī is so pleased with them that She arranges individual meetings between Kṛṣṇa and the damsels of Vraja. Indeed, Rādhārāṇī tries to unite Her associates with Kṛṣṇa by many transcendental maneuvers, and She takes more pleasure in these meetings than in Her own meetings with Him. When Kṛṣṇa sees that both Rādhārāṇī and Her associates are pleased by His association, He becomes more satisfied.
…There are various kinds of personal devotees of Lord Kṛṣṇa in the transcendental abode. For example, there are servants of Kṛṣṇa, like Raktaka and Patraka, and friends of Kṛṣṇa, like Śrīdāmā and Subala. There are also Kṛṣṇa’s parents, Nanda and Yaśodā, who are also engaged in His service according to their respective transcendental emotions. One who desires to enter into the supreme abode of Kṛṣṇa can take shelter of one such transcendental servitor. Then, through the execution of loving service one can ultimately attain transcendental affection for Kṛṣṇa, the highest goal. In other words, the devotee in this material world who executes loving service in pursuance of the activities of the eternal associates with Kṛṣṇa attains the same post when he is perfected.
…One should think of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa twenty-four hours a day and engage in Their service within one’s mind, not externally change one’s dress. By adopting the mood of the associates and friends of Rādhārāṇī and following in their footsteps, one can ultimately achieve the perfectional stage of being transferred to Goloka Vṛndāvana, the transcendental abode of Kṛṣṇa.
(1) By adopting this emotional mood of following in the footsteps of the gopīs, one attains his siddha-deha. (2) This word indicates the pure spiritual body, which is beyond the senses, mind and intelligence. The siddha-deha is the purified soul who is just suitable to serve the Supreme Lord. (3) No one can serve the Supreme Lord as His associate without being situated in his perfectly pure spiritual identity. That identity is completely free from all material contamination.” (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda)
Prabhupada está a explicar aqui que el Siddha Deha tiene 3 fases:
1 - en la fase de raganuga SADHANA bhakti el SADHAKA, ANHELA, ANSIA Y CULTIVA su siddha deha.(medita y cultiva el ekadas bhava = nombre, forma, edad, vestimienta, relacion, grupo, orden, servicio, ambicion suprema, mantenedor/a y residencia).
2 - entonces si en la etapa avanzada de bhava viene la realizacion del siddha deha que se llama svarupa siddhi.
3 - y entonces cuando nasce en el vientre de una gopi en un universo material donde krsna esté realizando Sus pasatiempos alcança la realizacion final del siddha deha que se llama vastu siddhi.
"The aṣṭa-kālīya-līlā and related topics that you have heard about from Vaiṣṇavas in Vṛndāvana is undoubtedly worshipable. Yet how these pastimes are conceived in the state of infestation by anarthas is not at all worshipable. By repeated chanting, a special individual is capable of knowing these matters, which is the identity of the svarūpa. By attainment of anartha-nivṛtti, one’s svarūpa is automatically awakened and the eternal mode of thinking that is innate to it manifests. Those who profess to teach or reveal this identity are deceitful, for it cannot be done.
On the other hand, IF A DEVOTEE RECEIVES SOME INSPIRATION after sincerely chanting for a long time, he should go to the sad-guru or an advanced devotee and ask that it be confirmed and purified by him.
The svarūpa HAS ELEVEN (ekādaśa) aspects. There are many cases of unscrupulous gurus who artificially force-feed these topics to unqualified practitioners, yet that cannot be called a symptom of spiritual perfection.
Those who have achieved svarūpa-siddhi gain such realization through internal revelation; the guru’s ONLY involvement is to assist his disciples’ ongoing advancement.
As a SĀDHAKA progresses toward siddhi, all these things are naturally revealed within the sevonmukha heart."
--Bhaktisiddanta’s Letter, (17 November 1930) Patravali 2.89-90
Si no hay ningun devot@ u sadhu disponible confirma con el caitya guru.
El punto mas importante aqui es que TENEMOS que praticar raganuga SADHANA bhakti y eso quiere decir ANHELAR, ANSIAR Y CULTIVAR una relacion especifica, en una rasa especifica siguiendo el modelo de ekadas bhava del siddha deha. eso todo en la fase de SADHANA.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha el devoto@ canta hare krsna y lee los pasatiempos (lilas). eso es vaidhi.
por hacerlo recibe una inspiracion interior (surge lobha (ansia)) por servir en una rasa especifica. el devot@ se inclina a una relacion especifica y pasa a cultivar tal realcion utilizando el molde de ekadas bhava del siddha deha.
el siddha deha es compuesto, formado, diseñado y engendrado por los deseos de SERVICIO del SADHAKA.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha por ejemplo, uno del los 11 elementos del ekadas bhava es seva (servicio).
a titulo de ejemplo, si un devot@ se inclina por sakhya rasa, los rasa sastras describen todas las formas que los sakhas sirven a krsna. por eso la importancia de leer los rasa sastras y pasatiempos de krsna. el devoto se inclinará a un servicio en particular.
como quieres servir eternamente a krsna?
hay devotos que tienen el servicio eterno de vestir a krsna, otros de decoraLo, otros de hacerle guirnaldas, otros de darle agua, etc, etc.
y asi el SADHAKA COMPONE, DISEÑA, FORMA Y ENGENDRA su siddha deha ANHELADO segun sus deseos de como quiere servir eternamente a Krsna.
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ESO, amigas y amigos no se dan en los "cursos" de bhaktas en ISCON y similares RTVIKS.
Mas yo les doy aqui, y les doy sin cobrar nada.
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porque?
porque quiero que vosotros sean felizes (de una puñetera vez) con TODO lo que la conciencia de Krsna tiene pa ofrecer. TODO.
eso, cualquier siksa guru que afirme que no debemos praticar raganuga SADHANA bhakti anhelando nuestra relacion y utilizando el molde de ekadas bhava del siddha deha en la fase de SADHANA BHAKTI, es un DEMONIO porque va en contra del diksa guru Srila Prabhupada.
"Vaidhī-bhakti, that is apprenticeship. Real bhakti, parā-bhakti, that is rāgānugā-bhakti. This rāgānugā-bhakti, WE HAVE TO COME after surpassing the vaidhī-bhakti. In the material world, if we do not try to make further and further progress in devotional service, if we are simply sticking to the shastric regulation process and do not try to go beyond that... Shastric process also regulation, that is required. Without shastric process you cannot go to that platform. But if we stick to the shastric process only and do not try to improve ourself... The shastric process is kaniṣṭha-adhikāra, lowest stage of devotional service."
(Śrīla Prabhupāda - Lecture on SB 1.2.33 -- Vrndavana, November 12, 1972)
Si, eso esta muy claro, un autentico diksa guru y un autentico siksa guru NUNCA te van a decir que Raganuga Bhakti es la etapa de perfeccion, cuando esta en verdad en la etapa de SADHANA.
si un diksa guru U siksa guru te dicen eso es porque NO son autenticos.
eso no tiene nada que ver con mahanidhi swami, danurdhara swami, jayapataka swami, gour govinda swami, etc, etc
eso tiene que ver con el autentico diksa guru srila prabhupada y los autenticos siksa gurus srila visvanatha cakravarti, jiva gosvami, narottama das thakur, etc, etc
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