Mesmo em Krsna Lila, Vrndavana Dhama pode haver uma simultaneidade de Svarupas. No plano espiritual e perfeito, uma mesmo devoto(a) poderá ter vários Svarupas em simultâneo. Por exemplo, um Svarupa em Gaura Lila. Um Svarupa em Krsna Lila em Vatsalya Rasa e um Svarupa em Krsna Lila em Madhurya Rasa.
SIMULTANEAMENTE.
Quem pode perceber a multidimensão destas personalidades divinas?
SS Gaura Govinda Swami afirmou que Prabhupada é Vrnda Devi.
Mas independente disso, o discipulo(a) pode ter uma Rasa diferente do Guru.
No Jaiva Dharma esta explicado que Vijaya Kumara tinha uma Rasa e Vrajanatha tinha outra Rasa. Mas ambos tinham o MESMO Guru.
O MESO GURU deu Ekadas Bhava tanto em Sakhya para um discipulo como em Madhurya para outro discipulo.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari No Gaudiya Vaisnavismo existem linhas discipulares em Sakhya Rasa.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Q. I have heard that Prabhupada is in sakhya rasa like Subala sakha. Did he say this, or is this just an opinion? And if this is true, does this create difficulty for his disciples who are in madhurya rasa?
A. by HH Tripurari Swami: This is an opinion, not an unreasonable one. Sridhara Maharaja felt that Prabhupada had affinity for sakhya rasa, either owing to this being his actual sentiment, or out of deference to Nityananda prabhu who had empowered him. In consideration of the latter, he may have veiled his madhurya sentiment.
Some of his disciples may have the vision that his is a follower of Subala. If the guru is in manjari bhava, he can also give sakhya bhava, and thus could be perceived by different disciples as representing different potencies of Krsna.
If your guru is in sakhya rasa, this is not a problem. It is difficult to find a guru with affinity for any rasa these days. Sakhya rasa is very compatible with madhurya, especially Subala's love.
Subala is a priya narma sakha. It is a mixture of friendship and conjugal love. With emphasis on the conjugal side of it. Rupa Goswami calls Subala's love “sakhi bhava.” While the manjaris are tendering to Radha in her plight of separation, Subala and others are consoling Krsna in his separation from Radha. We find in Caitanya Caritamrita that Mahaprabhu was sometimes consoled by Ramamanda Ray, just as Subala consoled Krsna in the Vraja lila.
A siddha guru situated in the sakhi bhava of Subala, that by its nature is not competitive with Radha, is a very capable guide for one who will find his eternal service in manjari bhava for Radha, although he may turn this disciple to siksa guru of manjari bhava in the long run.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Letter to Upendra -- Los Angeles 13 November, 1968: Your question, "When one has become pure enough, Krishna conscious, does one take regular dictation from one's Guru Maharaja? I know you to confirm yes, but how is this so? Understanding that each individual has a certain particular rasa with Krishna, how would one relate with another soul of a different rasa? Especially between that of the Guru and disciple?" That doesn't matter. The Spiritual Master's position is to train the disciples. Just like a teacher, he may be a very expert mathematician, but in the lower class he is teaching English. The Spiritual Master's duty is to train him, but when he comes to the perfectional stage of training, then he realizes his position. That is not a gift of the Spiritual Master, the Spiritual Master helps him to realize his relationship with the Lord. Just like the student in lower stages has to study so many things as preliminary education, English, history, math, etc., but in higher stage of education, he has got a particular taste for a special subject, so he specializes as a mathematician or a historian, etc. So that special qualification reveals in the higher stage.
Sometimes the question is asked, "How is it possible that you worship in manjari-bhava? After all, your guru-pranali descends from Dhananjaya Pandit, whom we know as Vasudhama-sakha, one of the Dvadasa-gopalas, as given in Kavi Karnapura's Ganoddesa-dipika." We may understand that many parshadas have multiple svarupas for participating in a variety of pastimes. Dhananjaya Pandit also has a manjari-svarupa. There are many others, too
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Who says it is only Madhurya Rasa?
"Vrajanatha: Which type of raganuga-bhakti do we have the adhikara to adopt?
Babaji: My son, you should scrutinize your own nature, and then you will see the corresponding type of devotion for which you are qualified. A particular ruci will awaken according to your inherent nature, and you should pursue the rasa that is indicated by that ruci. In order to cultivate that rasa, you should follow one of Krsna’s eternal associates who is perfect in it. To determine rasa, it is only necessary to examine your own ruci. If your ruci is towards the path of raga, then you should act according to that ruci; and as long as inclination has not awakened for the path of raga, you should simply execute the principles of vaidhi-bhakti with firm faith.
Vijaya: Prabhu, I have been studying Srimad-Bhagavatam for a long time, and I listen to krsna-lila whenever and wherever I find the opportunity. Whenever I deliberate on krsna-lila, a strong bhava arises within my heart to serve the Divine Couple as Lalita-devi does.
Babaji: You need not say any more. You are a manjari (young maidservant) of Lalita-devi. Which service do you like?
Vijaya: I desire that Srimati Lalita-devi should grant me permission to string garlands of flowers. I shall string lovely garlands of beautiful delicate flowers, and place them in Lalita Sakhi’s lotus hands. She will look upon me with an infinitely merciful, love laden glance, and then she will place the garlands around the necks of Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.
Babaji: I give you my blessings that you may attain perfection in the goal for which you are undertaking your sadhana. When Vijaya heard Babaji Mahasaya’s affectionate benediction, he fell at the lotus feet of his preceptor and wept. Seeing his emotional state, Babaji said, “Go on continually practicing raganuga-sadhana-bhakti with this same feeling, and externally follow the conduct laid down according to the rules of vaidhisadhana-bhakti, in a regular way.”
When Vrajanatha saw Vijaya Kumara’s spiritual wealth, he folded his hands and humbly said, “My master, whenever I meditate on Sri Krsna’s pastimes, a desire arises in my heart to serve Him by following in the footsteps of Subala.”
Babaji: Which service do you like?
Vrajanatha: When the calves wander far off to graze, I would very much like to bring them back in the company of Subala. When Krsna sits in a place to play upon His flute, I will take the permission of Subala to let the cows drink water, and then I will bring them to Bhai (Brother) Krsna. This is my heart’s desire.
Babaji: I give you the benediction that you will attain Krsna’s service as a follower of Subala. You are eligible to cultivate the sentiment of friendship (sakhya-rasa).
It is wonderful that from that day on, within Vijaya Kumara’s mind, the feeling began to sprout that he was a maidservant (dasi) of Srimati Lalita-devi, and he began to look upon Srila Babaji Maharaja as the personification of Sri Lalita-devi.
AND.....from that day on, Vrajanatha began to look upon Babaji as the personification of Subala." (Chapter 21 – Raganuga-Sadhana-Bhakti)
"Rāgānuga-bhakti, or spontaneous devotional service, can be executed in the śānta-rasa when one aspires to be like Kṛṣṇa's cows or the stick or flute in the hand of Kṛṣṇa, or the flowers around Kṛṣṇa's neck.
In the dāsya-rasa one follows in the footsteps of servants like Citraka, Patraka or Raktaka.
In the friendly sakhya-rasa one can become a friend like Baladeva, Śrīdāmā or Sudāmā.
In the vātsalya-rasa, characterized by parental affection, one can become like Nanda Mahārāja and Yaśodā,
and in the mādhurya-rasa, characterized by conjugal love, one can become like Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī or Her lady friends such as Lalitā and Her serving maids (mañjarīs) like Rūpa and Rati.
This is the essence of all instruction in the matter of devotional service." [Srila Prabhupada - The Nectar of Instruction 8]
"Special natural appreciation of the description of a particular pastime of Godhead indicates the constitutional position of a living entity." (Srila Prabhupada - Cc Adi 4.34p)
So after the devotee find which Rasa he/she has attraction and aspiration, should cultivate it. If you are attracted by Dasya Rasa, should cultivate it. If you are attracted by Sakhya Rasa, should cultivate it. If you are attracted by Vatsalya Rasa, should cultivate it. If you are attracted by Madhurya Rasa, should cultivate it.
One should not impose a particular Rasa at the expense of others. That everyone should necessarily be in Madhurya Rasa. NOT
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Aqui em Portugall temos um devoto que é um Rama Bhakta. Vive imerso nos passatempos de Sri Rama. A vida dele é só Rama Lila.
É ele quem dá as aulas no aparecimento do Senhor Ramacandra. Está sempre em êxtase com o seu amado Sri Rama.
Vamos obrigá-lo a aceitar outras Rasas? Claro que não. Quem segue Vaidhi Bhakti também alcança Prema. E no caso dele vai direitinho para Ayodhya Dhama.
Tecnicamente, existem dois tipos de Prema Bhakti:
1 - Mahatmya Jnana Prema
2 - Kevala Prema
Mahatmya Jnana Prema significa "Prema baseada no conhecimento das opulências do Senhor", e é vivenciada num humor de grande respeito e reverência.
Este tipo de Bhava somente é atingido através de Vaidhi Sadhana Bhakti.
Kevala Prema significa "Prema sem mistura com as opulências do Senhor", e é vivenciada num humor mais íntimo.
Este tipo de Bhava somente é atingido através de Raganuga Sadhana Bhakti.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Dhananjaya Pandita, é o vaqueirinho Vasudhama de acordo com o Gaura Ganoddesa Dipika. No entanto pela graça de Mahaprabhu ele também está situado em Manjari Bhava.
"Um gurudeva situado em santha, dasya, sakhya ou vatsalya, não possui o condão de outorgar madhura"......a não ser que tenha dois Svarupas em simultâneo em Krsna Lila.
Dhananjaya Pandita é Vasudhama e também tem Manjari Syarupa. Na mesma Lila.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Dois Svarupas em simultaneo em Vraja.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari Sometimes the question is asked, "How is it possible that you worship in manjari-bhava? After all, your guru-pranali descends from Dhananjaya Pandit, whom we know as Vasudhama-sakha, one of the Dvadasa-gopalas, as given in Kavi Karnapura's Ganoddesa-dipika." We may understand that many parshadas have multiple svarupas for participating in a variety of pastimes. Dhananjaya Pandit also has a manjari-svarupa. There are many others, too.
Tungavidya tem dois Svarupas em Gaura Lila:
Prabhodhananda e Vrakesvara.
Dhananjaya tem dois Svarupas em Krsna Lila:
Vasudhama e Kisori Manjari.
No caso de Dhananjaya Pandita não é uma particula, mas mesmo um Svarupa. Um Svarupa como Vasudhama e outro Svarupa como Kisori Manjari.
Q. In the Caitanya-caritamrta, in identifying certain personalities with their counterparts in Krsna lila, it is mentioned that a particular personality in Caitanya lila corresponds to two different personalities in Krsna lila. I don't understand. Do spiritual personalities merge and split, combine and recombine?
A. by Tripurari Maharaja - There is considerable subjectivity involved in bhakti. For example, some devotees see Krnsa as their dear most friend, whereas others feel the highest ideal is to be intimately involved in conjugal love with him. Each feels his ideal is best, and for the respective practitioner it is. Kavi Karnapura sees Gadadhara as Radha fully endowed with her bhava, whereas Krsnadasa Kaviraja sees him in a slightly different way, her bhava stolen by Mahaprabhu leaving Gadadhara with a submissive loving sentiment. Both are correct, for their vision is a result of their own bhava. This means that Krsna shows different things about himself and his associates to different devotees.
Liberated souls can have two or more spiritual identities. However, many of the descriptions of Kavi Karnapura in his Gaura gonnodesa dipika involve tracing similar sentiments (bhava) in one associate of Mahaprabhu with those of two or more members of Krsna lila, and this at perhaps different times. This does not necessarily mean that the associate of Mahaprabhu is in fact those two souls of Krsna lila appearing as one in Gaura lila, although this possibility does exist.
"Este texto aborda o BHAVA, e não a SVARUPA."
Sem dúvida que em relação a Visnu Tattva é diferente.
No entanto, em relação aos Parikaras ou Kaya Vyuha existe a possibilidade de dois ou mais Svarupas em simultâneo.
Tripurari Maharaja confirma: "although this possibility does exist."
"poderia identificar nos versos no gaura ganoddhesa relativo ás duas svarupas de dhanajaya no Krsna-Lila ?"
No Gaura Ganodesa Dipika, Dhananjaya Pandita está identificado somente como Vasudhama.
Mas pela misericórdia de Mahaprabhu, também tem um Manjari Svarupa.
Há um Parivara chamado Dhananjaya Pandita Parivara numa linha de sucessão discipular em Manjari Bhava.
Portanto, um Gurudeva com Svarupas simultaneos em Krsna Lila poderá outorgar tanto Madhurya como Sakhya, por exemplo.
Mas é um facto que somente um Gurudeva em Madhurya ou que tenha Svarupas simultâneos poderá outorgar Madhurya. Um Gurudeva que esteja somente em Sakhya ou tenha somente este Svarupa não poderá outorgar Madhurya (ou poderá ourorgar até um certo nivel, depois terá de encaminhar o discipulo para um Gurudeva em Madhurya). Estamos plenamente de acordo.
"Prabhodananda e Vrakesvara apareceram em momentos históricos diferentes"
Gaura Lila e Krsna Lila ocorrem simultaneamente desde tempos imemoriais. Ou seja, são os dois eternos.
"Temos a obrigação de nos aprofundar em Guru-tattva e destrinchar todos estes temas relativos ao bhava e ao svarupa de nosso guru-parampara. Pois existem vários estágios de gurudevas."
Correcto.
Podemos receber a informação (Antascintita Siddha Deha não realizada) de nosso Svarupa pelo Diksa ou Siksa Gurus.
Ou podemos realizar o nosso Svarupa através do Caitya Guru via Maha Mantra.
JAY GURUDEV.
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Prahladesh Dasa Adhikari “.... Those who engage in the service of Lord Nityananda Prabhu and Lord Advaita Prabhu generally have relationships of parental love, fraternity, servitude and neutrality. When such devotees develop great attachment for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they too become situated within the intimate circle of devotees in conjugal love.” CC Adi 7-17
There is no rejection of the particular sthayi-bhava which has been attained. There may be evolution and expansion into multiforms under the divine arrangements of the svarupa-shakti, but there is no rejection of that which was perfectly attained.
Some Vraja-parikaras have two identities. For instance from lineage of Dhananjaya Pandit Parivar, who is one of the dvadasa-gopalas called Vasudhama who descended with Nityananda Prabhu. Additionally he also serves in a manjari-svarupa in Vraja-lila on account of his participation as a sadhaka in Gaura-lila and receiving the unprecedented gift of Mahaprabhu (sva-bhakti sriyam -- manjari bhava). Now, don't ask when he attained it -- Gaura-lila has been going on since beginningless time.
