Cc. Madhya 22.105, BHAKTIVEDANTA PURPORT: “Because living entities are minute, atomic parts and parcels of the Lord, devotional service is already present within them in a dormant condition. Devotional service begins with shravana and kirtana, hearing and chanting.”
Srila Prabhupada’s letter of 20 January 1971:
“The central question you say is "where is the soul and where does it come from?" That is not difficult to understand. We've already discussed how the soul is residing in the heart of the living entity and that it takes shelter after death in another body. Originally the soul comes from God. Just like a spark comes from fire, and when the spark falls down it appears to be extinguished."
In the kingdom of God, the Lord's servants and maidservants, His consorts, His father and mother and everything else are all transformations of the spiritual existence of sandhinī-śakti (Balarama). The existential sandhinī-śakti in the external potency similarly expands all the variegatedness of the material cosmos, from which we can have a glimpse of the spiritual field.
CC Adi 4.65, Translation and Purport
"Além dos parentes da Personalidade de Deus, toda a outra parafernália da Sua existência são também manifestações de Sandhini Sakti, ou uma transformação de Visuddha Sattva.Para que fique mais claro, pode-se dizer que esta Sandhini Sakti da potência interna mantém e manifesta toda a variedade do mundo espiritual.No reino de Deus, os servos e servas do Senhor, Suas consortes, Seu pai e Sua mãe e tudo o mais são todos transformações da existência espiritual de Sandhini Sakti.A potência existencial Sandhini Sakti ao actuar na potência externa similarmente expante toda a variedade do cosmos material, do qual temos um vislumbre do campo espiritual." Cc Adi 4.65
"Ele (Balarama) é a Deidade predominante da energia Sandhini, o original Sankarsana, o reservatório de todas as entidades vivas, e a origem de todos Visnu Tattvas."
Caitanya Bhagavata 1.1.6 - Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur
Fim das citações
Sem Sri Balarama, não haveria existência dos passatempos de Sri Sri Radha Krsna e as Gopis, e nem haveria a terra de Vrndavana, porque Balarama é a potência da existência.Todos os associados em Santa, Dasya, Sakhya, Vatsalya e inclusive Sri Radha manifestam-se de Sri Balarama.
Em relação a Madhurya Rasa as Gopis são expansões do corpo de Srimati Radharani, Suas manifestações.
De Krsna (Samvit Sakti) se manifiesta Balarama (Sandhini Sakti-potencia de la existencia).
De Balarama los asociados de Krsna (Radha-Hladini Sakti) en todas las Rasas y todo en Goloka (tierra, vacas, bosques, etc) se manifiestan.
De Balarama se manifiesta Sankarsana.
De Sankarsana se manifiestan todos los habitantes de Vaikuntha.
De Sankarsana se manifiesta Maha Visnu, el abrigo del Jiva Tattva.
Este es el Siddhanta Gaudiya Vaisnava que Prabhupada explica. (CC Adi 5)
Claro que vinimos de Krsna. EN ESTA ORDEN.
"no se estuvo con Krishna" porque en GOLOKA NO EXISTE MAHA MAYA. Mas se manifesto de Krsna. TODOS Y TODO proviene de Krsna.
In the personal abode of the Lord . . . There is no predominance of the influence of time, so what to speak of the illusory, external energy [maha-maya]; it cannot enter that region. (Bhag. 2.9.10, TEXT)
Por supuesto que Krsna es el Supremo energetico. Mas la influencia de Maha Maya no existe en Goloka.
Krsna y Sus asociados eternos vienen siempre por la influencia de Yoga Maya. No existe Maha Maya en Goloka.
If one tries to mingle the worship of Yogamāyā with that of Mahāmāyā, considering them one and the same, he does not really show very high intelligence. The idea that everything is one is a kind of foolishness indulged in by those with less brain substance. Fools and rascals say that the worship of Yogamāyā and the worship of Mahāmāyā are the same. This conclusion is simply the result of mental speculation, and it has no practical effect.
CC Madhya 8.90, Translation and Purport
para que la jiva olvide su posición constitucional,tiene que estar bajo la influencia de la energia ilusoria MAHA MAYA,no hay otra manera.entonces el alma condicionada no puede tener origen en vaikuntha o goloka,que son moradas transcendentales que están absolutamente libres de MAHA MAYA.eso si,tienen origen en el cuerpo transcendental de MAHAVISHNU! (oliveira)
UN DEVOTO PURO SIEMPRE SUEÑA CON KRSNA. MISMO A DORMIR NO SE OLVIDA DE SU SEÑOR.
"Ya sea despierto o dormido, el devoto del Señor nunca puede dejar de pensar en el nombre, la forma, las cualidades y los pasatiempos de Kṛṣṇa. Así pues, el devoto de Kṛṣṇa puede vencer tanto el sueño como la ignorancia, por el simple hecho de pensar en Kṛṣṇa constantemente. Eso se denomina conciencia de Kṛṣṇa o samādhi." BG 1.24
Un Jivan Mukta (esta con Krsna) AQUI en este puñetero mundanal recibira influencia de Maha Maya. En GOLOKA no existe Maha Maya.
TODAS las entidades vivientes SON ORIGINALMENTE NITYA-SIDDHA.
Claro que si. La Jiva en el corazon esta encobierta por el ego falso.
Pero su relacion eterna con Krsna es intocable.
En verdad la JIva no actua. Son los modos.
No existen sueños mojados en Goloka. No existe Maha Maya en Goloka.
"nunca hemos estado con Él"
ESTUVIMOS con Él (Él manifiesta todos y todo), ESTAMOS con Él (la relacion con Krsna no se pierde, está latente en la Jiva que está en el corazon AQUI) e ESTAREMOS con Él.
SIEMPRE.
Una relacion eterna con Krsna. No cambia.
En Vaikuntha no hay sueños mojados. No hay.
Un devoto solo sueña con Krsna.
"Ya sea despierto o dormido, el devoto del Señor nunca puede dejar de pensar en el nombre, la forma, las cualidades y los pasatiempos de Kṛṣṇa. Así pues, el devoto de Kṛṣṇa puede vencer tanto el sueño como la ignorancia, por el simple hecho de pensar en Kṛṣṇa constantemente. Eso se denomina conciencia de Kṛṣṇa o samādhi." BG 1.24
Exato. Esta RELACIÓN ETERNA esta inehrente en el Svarupa de la Jiva que AHORA esta en el corazon.
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The pure devotee is always constantly engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Supreme Lord and cannot forget the Supreme Lord, and so for him the Lord is easily attained. A pure devotee cannot forget the Supreme Lord for a moment, and similarly the Supreme Lord cannot forget His pure devotee for a moment.
BG 8.14, Purport
A pure devotee of the Lord constantly sees the presence of the Lord within himself because of being transcendentally related by loving service. Such a pure devotee cannot forget the Lord for a moment.
SB 1.9.39, Purport
The devotee in perfect knowledge cannot forget his obligation to the Lord at any moment.
SB 4.9.8, Purport
What ungrateful devotee will not worship the Lord and enter into His devotional service? Actually, a devotee cannot forget his obligation to the Supreme Personality of Godhead even for a single moment.
SB 4.31.22, Purport
Of all these devotees, the gopīs are recognized as superior because they do not know anything other than satisfying Kṛṣṇa. Nor do the gopīs expect any return from Kṛṣṇa. Indeed, sometimes Kṛṣṇa puts them into extreme suffering by separating Himself from them. Nonetheless, they cannot forget Kṛṣṇa.
Nectar of Instruction 10, Purport
The devotees are related to You by ties of love. As such, they cannot forget You even for a moment.
Krsna Book 58
Material taste is finishable. It is not unlimited. But real taste is unlimited. If you taste one then you cannot forget. It will go on, increasing, increasing.
Lecture on BG 6.1 -- Los Angeles, February 13, 1969
Meditation, perfect meditation. Always, twenty-four hours. You cannot forget Kṛṣṇa. Just like a lover cannot forget beloved. So you have to contact Kṛṣṇa in love, then the meditation continues for twenty-four hours.
Lecture on BG 8.5 -- New York, October 26, 1966
The pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa, he is always thinking of Kṛṣṇa. They cannot forget Kṛṣṇa even for a second, carrying Kṛṣṇa.
Lecture on SB 1.13.10 -- Geneva, June 1, 1974
Your position, as it is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, mamaivāṁśo —"I am the part and parcel of God." You cannot forget this.
Room Conversation -- January 7, 1977, Bombay
""Māyā has two potencies with which to execute her two functions-prakṣepātmikā-śakti, the power to throw the living entity into the ocean of material existence,"
POR EL AMOR DE DIOS
ESTO NO OCURRE EN GOLOKA. EN GOLOKA SOLO EXISTE YOGA MAYA.
Entonces con calma.
Cuando Krsna o Sus asociados eternos vienen al mundo material por alguna mision, esto ocurre por la influencia de YOGA MAYA.
Cuando estos asociados eternos de Krsna estan en el mundo material en una mision, nunca se olvidan de Krsna.
Lalita, Madhumangala, etc cuando estan aqui en este mundo nunca reciben la influencia de MAHA MAYA.
No es que vinieron de Goloka sob la influencia de YOGA MAYA y cuando llegan aqui quedan sob la influencia de MAHA MAYA.
Eso no existe.
NO EXISTE MAHA MAYA EN VAIKUNTHA.
Lo que existe es que asociados eternos del Señor son influenciados por YOGA MAYA en Goloka para venir aqui en una mision, y aqui continuan sob la influencia de YOGA MAYA.
Esto no es lo que pasa con La Jiva.
Yogamaya means the mercy of the Supreme Lord which connects a devotee in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, and mahamaya means the external potency of the Lord which puts a conditioned soul into illusion that he will be happy by material adjustment.
Letter to Aniruddha -- Los Angeles 14 November, 1968
Entonces vamos a ver. YOGA MAYA dice a una Jiva en Goloka:"te voy a ilusionar, te enviare al mundo material y ahi te olvidaras de Krsna"
JAJAJAJAJAJA
From authoritative sources it can be discerned that associates of Lord Visnu who descend from Vaikuntha do not actually fall. They come with the purpose of fulfilling the desire of the Lord, and their descent to this material world is comparable to that of the Lord. The Lord comes to this material world through the agency of His internal potency, and similarly, when a devotee or associate of the Lord descends to this material world, he does so through the action of the spiritual energy. Any pastime conducted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead is an arrangement by yoga-maya, not maha-maya. Therefore it is to understood that when Jaya and Vijaya descended to this material world, they came because there was something to be done for the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Otherwise it is a fact that no one falls from Vaikuntha. (Bhag. 7.1.35, purp.)
Yoga maya tiene la funcion de hacer olvidar que Krishna es el Supremo.....para que los asociados lo puedan sirvir mas IINTIMAMENTE COMO AMIGOS, PADRES Y MADRES Y AMANTES.
No pa que vengan al mundo material !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
En relación con tu segunda pregunta, de si las almas condicionadas han visto alguna vez a Krishna, y si estaban con el Señor ANTES de encontrarse condicionadas por el deseo de enseñorearse de la naturaleza material... SÍ, las almas condicionadas son partes y porciones del Señor, y por lo tanto ESTABAN CON KRISHNA antes de encontrarse condicionadas. Tal como el niño debe haber visto a su padre, puesto que es éste el que le pone en el vientre de la madre, similarmente, cada alma ha visto a Krishna, el Padre Supremo. Pero en ese momento las almas condicionadas permanecen reposando en una condición que recibe el nombre de susupti, que es exactamente como dormir sin tener sueños de ningún tipo, o un estado anestesiado, Y POR ESO NO RECUERDAN HABER ESTADO CON KRISHNA cuando se despiertan en el mundo material y se ven involucradas en asuntos materiales."
