JIVERA SVARUPA HAYA KRSNERA NITYA DASA
svarupa aqui es traducido por prabhupada como posicion constitucional y no como forma.
la palabra svarupa es traducida por prabhupada de diferentes maneras: identidad, naturaleza, forma, posicion constitucional, etc.
jīvera — of the living entity; svarūpa — the constitutional position; haya — is; kṛṣṇera — of Lord Kṛṣṇa; nitya-dāsa — eternal servant;
la posicion de todas las jivas es ser un sirviente eterno de krsna. es su posicion ontologica. este verso no se refiere a forma. unos tienen la forma de animales o plantas, otros la forma de sirvientes, otros la forma de amigos, otros la forma de padres y otros la forma de amantes.
el verso jīvera 'svarūpa' haya — kṛṣṇera 'nitya-dāsa' no habla de la forma mas de la posicion constitucional.
Como bien dijo Gabriel Sanchez Herrero: "Entendiendo como "ETERNAMENTE sirviente" un estado de Pleno Conocimiento, Gozo, bienabenturanza y Felicidad SAT*CHIT*ANANDA."
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cuando fue la caida original de la jiva? la jiva eterna que es parte de la refulgencia corporal de krsna es una particula espiritual atomica perfecta y pura (sat y con potencial para cit y ananda). la jiva es siempre la diezmilésima parte de la punta de un cabello. la jiva contempla los mundos material y espiritual y elige entre uno y otro. al elegir el mundo espiritual desarrolla un cuerpo espiritual. al elegir el mundo material desarrolla un cuerpo material. la jiva tambien hace mal uso de su libre albedrio en el mundo material.
Your second question: Is there any particular reason why some spirit souls become directed toward Krsna Consciousness in the first place? How does one get on the progressive path of elevation to Krsna Consciousness? The answer is that it is by the mercy of the Lord that one comes in contact with a Spiritual Master who can revive the dormant Krsna consciousness of the conditioned soul. Krsna is always merciful and He comes Himself, He leaves behind Him instruction like the Bhagavad-gita, etc. and He sends His representative, the Spiritual Master. In this way the merciful propaganda is going on.
Every individual soul has got the discriminating power, so those who are pious they take advantage of this opportunity of the mercy of the Lord. But both pious and impious souls are being convinced by this Krsna consciousness movement. The human being is supposed to be intelligent more than the animals, so the intelligent persons or pious persons are coming in contact with Krsna consciousness.
Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 9 July, 1970
Your last question, "How is the soul degraded (by lust, anger and greed) when it is transcendental to the body? Doesn't that imply that the soul has changed?" No. The soul never changes, but due to his tinyness he may become forgetful of his relationship with Krsna. The spiritual quality of the spiritual spark has not changed but he has forgotten his spiritual nature, bewildered by the imperfect desire to become equal or greater than Krsna.
Letter to Caturbhuja -- Los Angeles 9 May, 1973
Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya's influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. But his relationship with Krsna is never lost, simply it is forgotten by the influence of Maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new.
Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1970
Bhaktijana: When the souls that were never conditioned at all..., do they also have the independence?
Yes, but they have not misused. They know that "I am meant for Krsna's service," and they are happy in Krsna's service.
Lecture on CC Adi-lila 7.108 -- San Francisco, February 18, 1967
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, in our fully developed state in the spiritual sky, are we still one ten-thousandth the size of a tip of a hair like we are now in conditioned state?
Prabhupada: Your real dimension is mentioned there that you are a spiritual atom. The measurement is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. That is the seed, or basic principle. Now, on that small particle of spirit soul we have developed this body. We have got human bodies, other has got the elephant body, other has got the mountainous body, but this is external. The real seed is that one ten-thousandth part of the hair. Similarly, as you have developed this material body under different consciousness, similarly when we give up the material connection we shall develop our spiritual body, and in that spiritual body we shall be able to enter the kingdom of God, back to home, back to Godhead. This is the position. This body you have to give up, today or tomorrow or one hundred years after. You have to give it up.
Interview -- July 5, 1972, New York
Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 9 July, 1970: Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from that are taking microbe bodies? It is not a matter of any particular body. These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no "new" soul. "New" and "old" are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul?
The individual particle of spirit soul is a spiritual atom smaller than the material atoms, and such atoms are innumerable. This very small spiritual spark is the basic principle of the material body, and the influence of such a spiritual spark is spread all over the body as the influence of the active principle of some medicine spreads throughout the body.
BG 2.17, Purport
We living entities, we are also spiritual atoms. We are spiritual atoms. And our magnitude also has assessed in the sastras.
Lecture on BG 2.13 -- New York, March 11, 1966
Every living entity has got an independence, minute, because he is also spiritual atom. We are all spiritual atoms.
Lecture on BG 4.11 -- New York, July 27, 1966
So you cannot see even the material atom, and what to speak of the spiritual atom. How that spiritual atom is passed from this body, nobody can see.
Lecture on BG 4.11 -- New York, July 27, 1966
What is the form of that spiritual energy, I mean to say atom, spiritual atom? Now divide it into ten thousand parts, and that one part is yourself, spiritual atom.
Lecture on BG 4.11-12 -- New York, July 28, 1966
Just like you come to me with a body. I go to you with a body. You are a spiritual atom; I am also spiritual atom.
Lecture on BG 4.11-12 -- New York, July 28, 1966
Your real dimension is mentioned there that you are a spiritual atom.
Interview -- July 5, 1972, New York
Spiritual atom... Just like from the spiritual body, you have developed this material body, similarly, from the spiritual atom, you can develop your spiritual body.
Lecture on BG 4.11-12 -- New York, July 28, 1966
The conclusion is that spirit soul has form. As Kṛṣṇa has got form, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha (Bs. 5.1), similarly spirit soul, jīvātmā, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, it has got form.
The Nectar of Devotion -- Vrndavana, October 26, 1972
You have got body, shape, very minute shape. That we cannot see, we cannot measure. But the spirit soul has a form. How, what is the length and breadth of that form, that is not in your power.
Lecture on SB 1.16.24 -- Hawaii, January 20, 1974
Because you have got leg and hand, therefore the coat has got leg and hand. Everyone can understand. It is very easy. So the original, the spirit soul, has got form. Therefore the cloth has been cut into form. It is very easy to understand.
Lecture on SB 3.26.3 -- Bombay, December 15, 1974
Regarding your questions: The spark soul has certainly form which means hands, feet, etc. This we learn from Bhagavad-gita. The body is described there as Vasamsi, which means dress. So unless one has got originally hands and legs, how the dress, coat and pants and shirt, takes such form? Therefore the spirit soul has original form. When he is in the material energy the dress is evolved materially and when he is in the spiritual energy, the dress is evolved spiritually. This is also not very difficult to understand, as our students before coming to my contact, he was supposed to be materially dressed, attached to sense gratification, and after devoting himself in Krishna Consciousness, he is gradually developing a spiritual dress. That means attached to satisfying the senses of the Supreme. Letter to Rupanuga -- Hawaii 14 March, 1969
The constitutional position of the living entity as a fragment of the Supreme Lord is confirmed in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Upaniṣads. The Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (5.9) states,
bālāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya ca
bhāgo jīvaḥ sa vijñeyaḥ sa cānantyāya kalpate
"If the tip of a hair were divided into one hundred parts, and if one of those parts were again divided into a hundred parts, that one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair would be the dimension of the living entity."
In further reference to your question about the form of the spirit soul of the conditioned living entity: there is a spiritual form always, but it develops fully only when the living entity goes to Vaikuntha. This form develops according to the desire of the living entity. Until this perfectional stage is reached, the form is lying dormant as the form of the tree is lying dormant in the seed.
(Letter to Rupanuga, 8 August, 1969)
Porque la jiva en su posicion constituicional y potencial es sat cit y ananda no puede quedar en el brahman que es solo sat y cit. elige entre el mundo espiritual o material.
This mukti the sāyujya-mukti, means to become one with the Supreme, it not very safe, because there is, there is want of ānanda and knowledge.
The Nectar of Devotion -- Bombay, January 7, 1973
La jiva Srila Prabhupada dice que es Sat, Cit, Ananda vigraha SOLO EN compañía del Señor Krishna que también es Sat, Cit, Ananda.
la jiva en esta posicion recibe informacion del mundo espiritual e material. entonces elige. no es que tiene una relacion desarrrollada CON KRSNA. ainda no experimento ananda y cit. tiene el potencial para eso.
es como alguien que recibe informacion acerca de dos cosas sin experimentarlas antes y entonces elige.
