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acerca del svarupa:
"although the soul appears to acquire or take on a spiritual form at the time of perfection, this form or constitutional position already existed previously in fullness "
This statement should not be understood that we were with Lord Krsna in the beginning and then we fell down to material bondage. This only states that the svarupa of jiva is never affected in bondage but it retains it original state in prema. There is a subtle difference here. This should be understood as : There was no time when this soul was not bound in the past, but when this soul attains prema it retains it original svarupa.
But what has happened to its original svarupa now? It is just as it is in the original state but knowledge (dharma bhuta jnana) is contracted (ie. like a lamp contained in side a big pot, the luminosity is contracted by avidya / karma. Once the pot is broken (avidya / karma destroyed) the lamp shines forth in its original luminosity which existed. in this analogy the lamp never was affected, only the coverings were affected during bondage and release.
That means that the original luminosity or in other words the nature of jiva which includes attributes such as : being eternally subservient to Lord Krsna, and to be a spiritual part of Lord Krsna etc. remains the same eternally through the stages of rebirths and prema.
Only when the pot is broken or when ajnana is destroyed the jiva becomes sarvajna or all knowing and understands his true position that he is always an eternal servant of the lord." (sri sampradaya)
es neste sentido que es reawakened y prabhupada lo confirma -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 8 August, 1969:
In further reference to your question about the form of the spirit soul of the CONDITIONED LIVING ENTITY , there is a spiritual form ALWAYS, but it develops FULLY ONLY when the living entity goes back to Vaikuntha. This form develops according to the desire of the living entity. Until this perfectional stage is reached, the form is lying dormant like the form of the tree is lying dormant in the seed. -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Krishna Consciousness is lying dormant in every living entity, just like fire is dormant within a match. If we simply strike the match, then the fire within will come in blazing light. Our method of striking the match is Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare.
Letter to Prahladananda -- Los Angeles 29 July, 1969 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Kṛṣṇa-bhakti, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is in everyone's heart, dormant.
Lecture -- Gorakhpur, February 18, 1971 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha When one chants the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra without offenses, his dormant love for Kṛṣṇa immediately awakens.
SB 5.24.20, Purport -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Devotional service is necessary not to drive away an insignificant stock of sins, but to awaken our dormant love for Kṛṣṇa.
SB 6.1.16, Purport -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Simply by associating with devotees, hearing their good instructions and chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, dormant love for Kṛṣṇa is awakened.
CC Madhya 19.151, Purport -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha CC Madhya 22.83, Translation: “The root cause of devotional service to Lord Kṛṣṇa is association with advanced devotees. Even when one's dormant love for Kṛṣṇa awakens, association with devotees is still most essential.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha CC Madhya 22.49, Translation: “By associating with a devotee, one awakens his faith in devotional service to Kṛṣṇa. Because of devotional service, one's dormant love for Kṛṣṇa awakens, and thus one's material, conditioned existence comes to an end.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Dormant love for Kṛṣṇa exists in everyone's heart, and it simply has to be awakened by the regulative process of devotional service.
CC Madhya 22.109, Purport -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha CC Madhya 24.194, Translation: “One's dormant love for Kṛṣṇa gradually awakens if one is a little advanced in one of these five items and is intelligent.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha CC Antya 4.58, Translation:
“Unless one discharges devotional service, one cannot awaken one's dormant love for Kṛṣṇa, and there is no means for attaining Him other than awakening that dormant love. -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha CC Antya 20.20, Translation:
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, “O Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī and Rāmānanda Rāya, hear from Me the symptoms of how one should chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra to awaken very easily one's dormant love for Kṛṣṇa. -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha So those who are in the four liberated states may still be going through different stages of existence. In the beginning they may want the opulences of Kṛṣṇa, but at the mature stage the dormant love for Kṛṣṇa exhibited in Vṛndāvana becomes prominent in their hearts.
Nectar of Devotion 4 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha If the members of human society actually want peace of mind, tranquillity and friendly relations between men and nations, they must follow the Kṛṣṇa conscious system of religion, by which they can develop their dormant love for Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Nectar of Instruction 4, Purport -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Although one executes severe austerities, penances and sacrifices in his life, if he fails to awaken his dormant love for Kṛṣṇa, then all his penances are to be considered useless.
Krsna Book Preface -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha That dormant love for Kṛṣṇa is there in every one of you.
Lecture on BG 4.12-13 -- New York, July 29, 1966 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha We should always remember that we have got dormant love for Kṛṣṇa, but it is now covered.
Lecture on BG 7.1-2 -- Bombay, March 28, 1971 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha If you do not become develop yourself to love God, then it is all useless waste of time. It has no meaning. That is the test, how to become, how to advance in loving service of the Lord. That is the... Then you are religious, you are philosopher, you are great man, you are everything. Otherwise, if you do not awaken your dormant love for Kṛṣṇa, or God, then all such labor is useless.
Lecture on SB 6.1.18 -- Denver, July 1, 1975 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha One may think of executing his religious principles very nicely, but if he does not awaken his dormant love for Kṛṣṇa, then all activities in that direction is supposed to be simply waste of time, simply waste of time, spoiling.
Arrival Lecture -- Calcutta, March 20, 1975 -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for invoking the dormant love for Kṛṣṇa that is there in everyone.
Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Simply by associating with devotees, hearing their good instructions and chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, dormant love for Kṛṣṇa is awakened.
Room Conversation -- August 2, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm) -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 8 August, 1969:
In further reference to your question about the form of the spirit soul of the CONDITIONED LIVING ENTITY , there is a spiritual form ALWAYS, but it develops FULLY ONLY when the living entity goes back to Vaikuntha. This form develops according to the desire of the living entity. Until this perfectional stage is reached, the form is lying dormant like the form of the tree is lying dormant in the seed. -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha En relacion a los distintos svarupas SIMULTANEOS de la alma liberada:
A seguir a explicação de Bhaktivinoda Thakur no Jaiva Dharma:
"Gauranga Lila e Govinda Lila devem ser adoradas simultaneamente,porque ao alcançar a perfeição,os sadhakas Gaudiya Vaisnavas obtém dois corpos espirituais.
Geralmente, ao alcançar a perfeição espiritual,uma entidade viva tem somente um svarupa(corpo transcedental).Porém, em muitos casos,o destino último dos seguidores de Srila Rupa Goswami é obter duas forma espirituais:
1) Uma forma majestosamente bela de Kaisori (Uma jovem) Manjari-gopi, para servir Radha-Govinda na associação de outra sakhis e manjaris de Vraja.
2) Uma forma masculina maravilhosamente dourada de Kaisora (Um jovem) para servir o Senhor Gaurasundara e Seus associados em Navadvipa-Dhama.
O mais afortunado devoto participará simultaneamente nestas Lilas para eternamente servir o Senhor."
Do Sri Priti Sandarbha de Srila Jiva Goswami Anuccheda 10 citando o Candogya Upanishad (7.26.2):
sa ekadha bhavati, dvidha bhavati, tridha bhavati pacadha saptadha navadha caiva punas caikadasah smrtah, satam ca dasa caikas ca sahasrani ca vimsatih
"A alma liberada pode manifestar uma forma, duas formas, três formas, ou mais formas do que isso, ela torna-se cinco, ela torna-se sete, ele torna-se nove, em seguida, novamente ela é chamada a décimo primeira, e cento e dez e mil e vinte."
Por sua própria vontade a alma liberada pode manifestar muitas formas diferentes."
Srila Kavi Karnapura explica:
"Ninguém em Gaura Lila está preso pelo seu Svarupa.
Dhananjaya Pandita, é o vaqueirinho Vasudhama de acordo com o Gaura Ganoddesa Dipika. No entanto pela graça de Mahaprabhu ele também está situado em Manjari Bhava.
Srivasa Thakura é comumente conhecido como Narada Muni, mas também possui um Manjari Svarupa.
Vrakesvara está identificado como Aniruddha no Catur Vyuha no Gaura Ganoddesa Dipika, mas também é conhecido como Tungavidya Sakhi."
Também as Asta Sakhis possuem diversas identidades em Gaura Lila.
Por exemplo:
Tungavidya aparece como Prabodhananda e Vrakesvara.
Lalita aparece como Svarupa Damodara , Dhruvananda Brahmacari e Gadadhara Pandit.
Citra Sakhi como Vanamali e Govindanandana Thakur.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha esto escribi en ingles:
4 SVARUPAS, ETERNALLY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY !!!
"Prabhupada used to practice Sadhana there (Radha Damodar Mandir - Vrindavana). Even after their disappearance, the Siddhas (perfected souls) have a multiple personality, so to speak.
In a form they live in Goloka Vrndavana in the spiritual world. With another form they live in this material world, in the way they used to live before, as
Sadhakas.
Sometimes they also give Darshana to their disciples. Gauranga Das Babaji, my previous Siksa Guru and Siddha Mahatma in Vrindavan, used to tell me that "Nobody went anywhere else. They are all here. All great souls are still here. If your heart is pure, you'll get their Darshana. Nobody went anywhere, they are all here."
There have been records that Rupa and Jiva Goswamis have been giving Darshana to many devotees." (Adikesava Dasa)
Siddhas Gaudiya Vaishnavas, the same Jiva, obtain multiple Svarupas.
Simultaneously and eternally.
Eternally a Svarupa in Gaura Lila (male Kaisora). Eternally a Svarupa in Krsna Lila (female Kisori). Eternally a Svarupa in their Samadhis (with their Sadhaka Deha). And still, a fourth Svarupa in Krsna Lila if the devotee belongs to another Rasa that is not Madhurya Rasa. Also receive a Manjari Svarupa by the grace of Sri Gauranga.
Four Svarupas, eternally and simultaneously.
“.... Those who engage in the service of Lord Nityananda Prabhu and Lord Advaita Prabhu generally have relationships of parental love, fraternity, servitude and neutrality. When such devotees develop great attachment for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they too become situated within the intimate circle of devotees in conjugal love.” (CC Adi 7-17)
"There is no rejection of the particular Sthayi Bhava which has been attained. There may be evolution and expansion into multiforms under the divine arrangements of the Svarupa Sakti, but there is no rejection of that which was perfectly attained.
Some Vraja Parikaras have two identities. For instance from lineage of Dhananjaya Pandita Parivar, who is one of the Dvadasa Gopalas called Vasudhama who descended with Nityananda Prabhu. Additionally he also serves in a Manjari Svarupa in Vraja Lila on account of his participation as a Sadhaka in Gaura Lila and receiving the unprecedented gift of Mahaprabhu (sva-bhakti sriyam -- manjari bhava).
We may understand that many Parshadas have multiple Svarupas for participating in a variety of pastimes. Dhananjaya Pandita also has a Manjari Svarupa."
TODOS estos svarupas son eternos y existen en simultaneo. y son todos perfectos. eso no es esquizofrenia vada.
ESQUIZOFRENIA VADA es decir que un ser PERFECTO tiene una forma expandida en maya. o que un ser PERFECTO esta a sonar una forma en maya. -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha "The manifestation of the world is not accepted as false; it is accepted as real, but temporary."
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha "But although Arjuna is with Krishna in innumerable different material universes at one time, still there is only one spirit soul who is Arjuna. This spirit soul expands into many different bodies and thus you can understand that there are also incarnations of devotees as well as incarnations of Krishna.
This is the power of the spirit soul, that it is unlimited. Such conception cannot be understood while one is still in the conditioned state.
Letter of Srila Prabhupada to Saradiya, 1968" -
Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha zimmer yo no he PERDIDO NADA.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Prabhupada dice una cosa, y tú dices otra, MUY DIFERENTE. ¿A quién tengo que creer? Pues eso. HAS PERDIDO.
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Jaya Nrsimha Sri Nrsimha Y estás más perdido que cuzco en tiroteo
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dormant love for Kṛṣṇa - jiva
